I personally cannot see how a resource based economy can function without some ultimate controller - essentially turning your resource based economy into a worldwide totalitarian communism.I suppose my feelings come from my fundamental disagreement that a monetary based economy is in any way bad. We have already seen massive automation in our industries, but we have not seen the loss of jobs/increase of unemployment, despite massive increases in population.Now, if we get to a technological singularity state whereby machines can perform 50% of the jobs of humans (assuming these machines are our servants), This will drive down the price of all the products that they will produce until those people who have had to race to the bottom in order to be able to compete against the machines (on the job market; machines will still have a maintenance price, energy cost etc.), will be able to afford these now massively lower cost products. The situation resolves itself adequately under a free market situation.On the subject of the monetary system causing stifling of technology - Surely large firms want more automation - there is little that low level employees can really do to stop such a monetary/efficiency incentive. The only people who have the power to stifle technology would be the governments, using the threat of force, to "save the jobs". The solution there is not to remove the incentive to improve the technology, but to remove the stifling force, the government.I am a free market anarchist, so I very much agree with many of the points made, but also violently disagree with many of them :)
Wow, some one I don't know read *and commented* on my blog...I share your scepticism: that 'resource base' would equate to totalitarian. The Venus Project illustrations even look like something from a totalitarian dystopia flick.It's not inevitable that reduced price of goods (from increased automation) will make the price of living affordable for the increasing number of unemployed. Especially as semi-deliberate underestimation of inflation (by government statistics) has led to a significant cumulative reduction in welfare rates. And how does one decide where the poverty line lies in an advanced society?; Merely being able to keep breathing isn't enough.I don't think there's any danger of the work force stifling increased automation (the last serious attempts of that nature in the UK, by newspaper printing staff in the 1980s against Rupert Murdock's automated equipment, was an unmitigated failure). Governments get in the way a bit more, but the worst I can think of is the US ban on stem cell research funding). The real problem the film alludes to is the conflict of interest companies have in the products they're producing; there's no direct incentive to make items that last any longer than the absolute minimum time to satisfy perception of money's worth (a public perception that grows shorter as device life spans do). No incentive to make ultra cheap products: e.g. I was looking for a HDD based mp3 player with storage of 60Gb last year, 20Gb players were around in 2003 for like £200, so I figured that 60Gb should be, like £50ish by 2008. But no, the *only* HDD player I could find for sale anywhere was a 60Gb iPod for over £300!... It seems SSD technology has given manufacturers an excuse to continue selling the same range of products for the same price tags, and hence the same profit margins. And these are the fairly banal issues, before we get to oil companies lobbying against climate change acceptance, faking evidence, and perhaps buying up patents for alternative energy technologies, then effectively sitting on them.I'm far from being against capitalism either, but people need to remember it's only an artificial system, and as such has many pitfalls and exploits that go contrary to it's purpose. I can't see us transcending this paradigm until super intelligent beings are able to look after humanity through cheap altruism alone.
I share your scepticism: that 'resource base' would equate to totalitarian. The Venus Project illustrations even look like something from a totalitarian dystopia flick.www.onlineuniversal.com
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I personally cannot see how a resource based economy can function without some ultimate controller - essentially turning your resource based economy into a worldwide totalitarian communism.
ReplyDeleteI suppose my feelings come from my fundamental disagreement that a monetary based economy is in any way bad. We have already seen massive automation in our industries, but we have not seen the loss of jobs/increase of unemployment, despite massive increases in population.
Now, if we get to a technological singularity state whereby machines can perform 50% of the jobs of humans (assuming these machines are our servants), This will drive down the price of all the products that they will produce until those people who have had to race to the bottom in order to be able to compete against the machines (on the job market; machines will still have a maintenance price, energy cost etc.), will be able to afford these now massively lower cost products. The situation resolves itself adequately under a free market situation.
On the subject of the monetary system causing stifling of technology - Surely large firms want more automation - there is little that low level employees can really do to stop such a monetary/efficiency incentive. The only people who have the power to stifle technology would be the governments, using the threat of force, to "save the jobs". The solution there is not to remove the incentive to improve the technology, but to remove the stifling force, the government.
I am a free market anarchist, so I very much agree with many of the points made, but also violently disagree with many of them :)
Wow, some one I don't know read *and commented* on my blog...
ReplyDeleteI share your scepticism: that 'resource base' would equate to totalitarian. The Venus Project illustrations even look like something from a totalitarian dystopia flick.
It's not inevitable that reduced price of goods (from increased automation) will make the price of living affordable for the increasing number of unemployed. Especially as semi-deliberate underestimation of inflation (by government statistics) has led to a significant cumulative reduction in welfare rates. And how does one decide where the poverty line lies in an advanced society?; Merely being able to keep breathing isn't enough.
I don't think there's any danger of the work force stifling increased automation (the last serious attempts of that nature in the UK, by newspaper printing staff in the 1980s against Rupert Murdock's automated equipment, was an unmitigated failure). Governments get in the way a bit more, but the worst I can think of is the US ban on stem cell research funding).
The real problem the film alludes to is the conflict of interest companies have in the products they're producing; there's no direct incentive to make items that last any longer than the absolute minimum time to satisfy perception of money's worth (a public perception that grows shorter as device life spans do). No incentive to make ultra cheap products: e.g. I was looking for a HDD based mp3 player with storage of 60Gb last year, 20Gb players were around in 2003 for like £200, so I figured that 60Gb should be, like £50ish by 2008. But no, the *only* HDD player I could find for sale anywhere was a 60Gb iPod for over £300!... It seems SSD technology has given manufacturers an excuse to continue selling the same range of products for the same price tags, and hence the same profit margins. And these are the fairly banal issues, before we get to oil companies lobbying against climate change acceptance, faking evidence, and perhaps buying up patents for alternative energy technologies, then effectively sitting on them.
I'm far from being against capitalism either, but people need to remember it's only an artificial system, and as such has many pitfalls and exploits that go contrary to it's purpose. I can't see us transcending this paradigm until super intelligent beings are able to look after humanity through cheap altruism alone.
I share your scepticism: that 'resource base' would equate to totalitarian. The Venus Project illustrations even look like something from a totalitarian dystopia flick.
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